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At least we made those Iraqi bastards pay for what they did.
way to not 'get it'
| Frax wrote: |
way to not 'get it' |
I hate idiots.
| Frax wrote: |
way to not 'get it' |
Actually, I do 'get it'. There's nothing special about 9/11, other than as an appeal to xenophobia and nationalistic extremism. The only reason to "remember" it, as an event, is as an incitement to violence and war. You might remember the people who died, which is fine, although then why not remember all the other people who died for other reasons? In particular, unless you were there, or knew someone who died there, the only reason to remember it is to encourage us to obtain revenge for a criminal act. But our society doesn't avenge criminal acts; it punishes them, and tries to prevent them from happening again. And our president has conveniently forgotten all about the people who actually perpetrated the act, in order to pursue his own unrelated agenda.
If you want to remember it go ahead. But think about what you're remembering, and why you're remembering it. A lot of the people I know who are "remembering" 9/11 had nothing to do with it; it just makes them feel an undefined sense of patriotism, and an urge to make someone, anyone, pay.
| sinrakin wrote: | ||
Actually, I do 'get it'. There's nothing special about 9/11, other than as an appeal to xenophobia and nationalistic extremism. The only reason to "remember" it, as an event, is as an incitement to violence and war. You might remember the people who died, which is fine, although then why not remember all the other people who died for other reasons? In particular, unless you were there, or knew someone who died there, the only reason to remember it is to encourage us to obtain revenge for a criminal act. But our society doesn't avenge criminal acts; it punishes them, and tries to prevent them from happening again. And our president has conveniently forgotten all about the people who actually perpetrated the act, in order to pursue his own unrelated agenda. If you want to remember it go ahead. But think about what you're remembering, and why you're remembering it. A lot of the people I know who are "remembering" 9/11 had nothing to do with it; it just makes them feel an undefined sense of patriotism, and an urge to make someone, anyone, pay. |
Gonna borrow one of Kbarr's replies..I hope you die of cancer.
its my friends bday today.. how cool
| sinrakin wrote: | ||
Actually, I do 'get it'. There's nothing special about 9/11, other than as an appeal to xenophobia and nationalistic extremism. The only reason to "remember" it, as an event, is as an incitement to violence and war. You might remember the people who died, which is fine, although then why not remember all the other people who died for other reasons? In particular, unless you were there, or knew someone who died there, the only reason to remember it is to encourage us to obtain revenge for a criminal act. But our society doesn't avenge criminal acts; it punishes them, and tries to prevent them from happening again. And our president has conveniently forgotten all about the people who actually perpetrated the act, in order to pursue his own unrelated agenda. If you want to remember it go ahead. But think about what you're remembering, and why you're remembering it. A lot of the people I know who are "remembering" 9/11 had nothing to do with it; it just makes them feel an undefined sense of patriotism, and an urge to make someone, anyone, pay. |
Awesome, I completely agree.
It happend 3 years ago and if I just Remember it on this day is the only way for it to matter.....so I couldnt Remember it yesterday so I could have a fun day today....so from now on Sept 11 has to be the day that is set for Remember the deaths of thousands. I wonder what tommorrow will bring!
| sinrakin wrote: | ||
Actually, I do 'get it'. There's nothing special about 9/11, other than as an appeal to xenophobia and nationalistic extremism. The only reason to "remember" it, as an event, is as an incitement to violence and war. You might remember the people who died, which is fine, although then why not remember all the other people who died for other reasons? In particular, unless you were there, or knew someone who died there, the only reason to remember it is to encourage us to obtain revenge for a criminal act. But our society doesn't avenge criminal acts; it punishes them, and tries to prevent them from happening again. And our president has conveniently forgotten all about the people who actually perpetrated the act, in order to pursue his own unrelated agenda. If you want to remember it go ahead. But think about what you're remembering, and why you're remembering it. A lot of the people I know who are "remembering" 9/11 had nothing to do with it; it just makes them feel an undefined sense of patriotism, and an urge to make someone, anyone, pay. |
No, you don't get it at all. You absolutely don't f*****g get it. Iraq and 9/11 are two completely separate issues. If you can't make the distinction, thats your problem. Make your own whiny liberal thread in the political forum. Thanks for turning a rememberance of the deaths of nearly 3,000 US citizens into a liberal vomit rant railing against the president. Maybe Jack Shit can jump on here and tell us how 'the man' setup the blacks or jews to create 9/11 for Bush.
If my patriotism offends you, too f*****g bad.
If you were driving along Route 4 west in New Jersey on the afternoon of 9/11/01, like I was, then you could look behind you and see this huge amount of smoke coming from the place where the World Trade Center used to stand.
When I saw that, the last thing that I was thinking of was kicking Muslim a*s. I was trying to think if there was possibly anyone I knew that would have been near there. Fortunately, there wasn't.
9/11 isn't 'nothing special', its someone maliciously and intentionally killing 3,000 innocent people, just trying to go about their daily business. We already have diseases and natural disasters killing thousands a day, why do we need to inflict so much more damage on ourselves?
You can't stop a hurricane, but you can stop terrorism. That is why we should Remember 9/11. I don't agree with many things Bush has done in response to 9/11, but you cannot have an 'Oh well, shit happens' attitude towards it.
When I saw that, the last thing that I was thinking of was kicking Muslim a*s. I was trying to think if there was possibly anyone I knew that would have been near there. Fortunately, there wasn't.
9/11 isn't 'nothing special', its someone maliciously and intentionally killing 3,000 innocent people, just trying to go about their daily business. We already have diseases and natural disasters killing thousands a day, why do we need to inflict so much more damage on ourselves?
You can't stop a hurricane, but you can stop terrorism. That is why we should Remember 9/11. I don't agree with many things Bush has done in response to 9/11, but you cannot have an 'Oh well, shit happens' attitude towards it.
| sinrakin wrote: | ||
Actually, I do 'get it'. There's nothing special about 9/11, other than as an appeal to xenophobia and nationalistic extremism. The only reason to "remember" it, as an event, is as an incitement to violence and war. You might remember the people who died, which is fine, although then why not remember all the other people who died for other reasons? In particular, unless you were there, or knew someone who died there, the only reason to remember it is to encourage us to obtain revenge for a criminal act. But our society doesn't avenge criminal acts; it punishes them, and tries to prevent them from happening again. And our president has conveniently forgotten all about the people who actually perpetrated the act, in order to pursue his own unrelated agenda. If you want to remember it go ahead. But think about what you're remembering, and why you're remembering it. A lot of the people I know who are "remembering" 9/11 had nothing to do with it; it just makes them feel an undefined sense of patriotism, and an urge to make someone, anyone, pay. |
I can understand not wanting to remember 9/11 because of 3,000 deaths - which I admit is a rather insignificant number, compared to other causes of death. (smoking, drinking, driving etc)
But 9/11 was more than about the number of deaths, the destroyed towers or the financial damage. It changed the way most people in the western world think. Up until then most people didn't think anything going on 'over there' (middle-east) would affect them in any way. It was a news report you'd listen to, then switch back to simpsons.
Although I bet some people still value Simpsons more than anything else, I'd hope a lot more became politically interested in world affairs and not just what happens in their neighbourhood.
You could say the western world lost it's innocence - personally I'm relieved nothing more happened that day. With how bad security in many critical places was (and still is), it could have been MUCH worse.
| quotison wrote: |
You can't stop a hurricane, but you can stop terrorism. |
no you cant.
terrorism has been around for as long as man. Hell even in Star trek they still have terrorism. All we can do is wipe out one cell while another forms.
You can't eliminate terrorism, I would agree.
But you can prevent some terrorism, you can make it occur less often, and have it hurt less people.
Like I said, I don't agree with many things Bush has done in response to 9/11, but something can and has to be done.
But you can prevent some terrorism, you can make it occur less often, and have it hurt less people.
Like I said, I don't agree with many things Bush has done in response to 9/11, but something can and has to be done.
| quotison wrote: |
You can't eliminate terrorism, I would agree. But you can prevent some terrorism, you can make it occur less often, and have it hurt less people. Like I said, I don't agree with many things Bush has done in response to 9/11, but something can and has to be done. |
true.
| Frax wrote: |
If my patriotism offends you, too f*****g bad. |
Sorry, but you don't know the meaning of patriotism. It's not cheering the US like it's your favorite WWF wrestler, and reminding everybody how the other guy brought a chair into the ring last time so he's really got it coming.
I fall somewhere between sin and quot, probably closer to quot. Frax, he is saying Remember the people themselves, i think, rather than the event itself which is what you are doing. therefore... he says Remember the people.. you say Remember the event... and he is the one that is making them insignificant, along with being guilty of a bunch of other politically charged b******t you threw at him? shrug.
| Soriak wrote: | ||||
I can understand not wanting to remember 9/11 because of 3,000 deaths - which I admit is a rather insignificant number, compared to other causes of death. (smoking, drinking, driving etc) But 9/11 was more than about the number of deaths, the destroyed towers or the financial damage. It changed the way most people in the western world think. Up until then most people didn't think anything going on 'over there' (middle-east) would affect them in any way. It was a news report you'd listen to, then switch back to simpsons. Although I bet some people still value Simpsons more than anything else, I'd hope a lot more became politically interested in world affairs and not just what happens in their neighbourhood. You could say the western world lost it's innocence - personally I'm relieved nothing more happened that day. With how bad security in many critical places was (and still is), it could have been MUCH worse. |
Good points Soriak. The number of deaths is never insignificant however. People who die from the things you listed made a choice to engage in thos activities, especially since the risk there are well known. Wanna smoke tobacco for 35 years? You have a good chance of getting cancer. Wanna drive? Good chance of an accident at least once in your lifetime of driving. Drinking? Say goodbye to your liver and some brain cells, and enough of it at once can kill you obviously.
People tend to be sheep and react to things only when their television brings outrage into their home. Many people however were aware of an emerging terrorist threat. This merry band of murderers actually had tried to knock down the WTC in 1993. Most people were completely forgetful of that attack until 2001.
War time brings out the extremes in everyone. If you think there is not an ongoing war on terror, you are not paying attention. Some people probably have already forgotten where the latest Al Qaeda attack was in the past week.
You f**s make everything difficult.
| sinrakin wrote: | ||
Sorry, but you don't know the meaning of patriotism. It's not cheering the US like it's your favorite WWF wrestler, and reminding everybody how the other guy brought a chair into the ring last time so he's really got it coming. |
ad hominem, ad nauseum.
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